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RESULTS: red-team audit of the Erdős #126 scout (`r_186989`)

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Hunt, not a result. Nothing here is evidence for or against RH (docs/08).

Verdict: the scout's mathematics survives. Its literature claim and one of its loose threads do not. Five of the six audited claims are correct as stated and are re-proved below. One thread (|A| \le p-1$ for omitted $p$) is false, and is contradicted by a row of the scout's own table. The "no progress beyond 1934" framing is misleading: the order of magnitude is indeed unimproved, but there is directly relevant literature from 1986, 1988 and February 2026 that the scout cites none of, and one of those papers bears on whether the route it recommends can work at all.

Reproduce with python3 hunts/support_eccd5f5e/audit.py (~4 min, stdlib only, writes results_audit.json). The search was written from the problem statement, not from hunts/r_186989/probe.py.

Notation throughout: $S$ a set of $k$ primes, $A$ a finite set of distinct positive integers with every off-diagonal sum $a+b$ being $S$-smooth, $g(k) = \max |A|$, and $f(n) = \min_{|A|=n} \omega\!\left(\prod_{a\neq b}(a+b)\right)$.


0. The scoreboard

#Scout claimVerdict
1$g(k) = \max\{n : f(n)\le k\}$, and $f(n)/\log n\to\infty \iff g(k)^{1/k}\to 1$Verified. Two hypotheses were load-bearing and unflagged.
2$f(n-1)\le f_0(n)\le f(n)$, positivity mismatch harmless for the limitVerified, proof correct. Sharpened: $f(1..4)$ are now exactly known.
3A supermultiplicative composition law refutes the conjectureVerified, and stronger than stated: such a law would also be within a factor $3/2$ of the 1934 upper bound. Fekete is not needed.
4$g_N(k) \ge 2,4,5,6,8,10,11$ for $k=1..7$; box size does not bindReproduced independently. Interpretation corrected on two points.
5Thread: $\A\\le p-1$ when $p\notin S$, by pigeonhole on $r \leftrightarrow -r$Refuted. Proof of why, plus a counterexample inside the scout's own data, plus an unbounded family.
6"No progress beyond 1934"Misleading. Corrected in §6 with sources.

1. The inverse reformulation. Verified.

$f(n)\le k$ means some $n$-set has prime support of size $\le k$; padding that support to exactly $k$ primes gives $g(k)\ge n$. Conversely a witness for $S$ with $|S|=k$, $|A|=n$ gives $f(n)\le k$. So $g(k)=\max\{n : f(n)\le k\}$. If $f(n)/\log n\to\infty$ then with $n_k=g(k)$ we have $k\ge f(n_k)$, so $k/\log n_k\to\infty$, i.e. $\log g(k)=o(k)$. Conversely with $k=f(n)$ we get $g(k)\ge n$, so $\log n \le \log g(f(n)) = o(f(n))$. Both directions hold, and $\log g(k) = o(k) \iff g(k)^{1/k}\to 1$ is immediate. $\square$

Two hypotheses are load-bearing and the scout does not flag them. The forward direction needs $g(k)\to\infty$ and the reverse needs $f(n)\to\infty$; both come from Erdős-Turán, so the equivalence itself is conditional on the 1934 theorem, not merely the finiteness of $g$. Also, the scout writes that $g$ is finite "precisely because the classical $f(n)\gg\log n$ holds". Finiteness needs only $f(n)\to\infty$, which is strictly weaker. Cosmetic, but "precisely because" is doing work it has not earned.

2. The positivity equivalence. Verified, and sharpened.

The scout's proof of $f(n-1)\le f_0(n)\le f(n)$ is correct as written; we checked each step and found no gap. Independent exhaustive recomputation over $[1,30]$ and $[0,30]$ reproduces its table exactly: $f = 0,1,2,2,3$ and $f_0 = 0,0,2,2,3$ for $n=1..5$.

Sharpening the scout left on the table. It reports these as search upper bounds. Four of them are in fact exact and provable:

So the honest small-$n$ table is $f = 0,1,2,2$ known exactly, and $f(5)\in\{3\}$ conditional on $g(2)=4$.

3. The Fekete / composition claim. Verified, and it is stronger than stated.

The scout's argument is sound: $g(1)=2$ (both directions of which we re-checked above) plus $g(k_1+k_2)\ge g(k_1)g(k_2)$ gives $\lim g(k)^{1/k}\ge 2$, so the conjecture fails.

Two corrections, both in the scout's favour.

Fekete is unnecessary. Supermultiplicativity applied $k$ times gives $g(k)\ge g(1)^k = 2^k$ directly. Invoking Fekete's lemma adds a hypothesis (the limit's existence) that the direct induction does not need.

The conclusion is much sharper than "the conjecture is false". Erdős-Turán 1934 states that $|A|\ge 3\cdot 2^{k-1}$ forces at least $k+1$ prime factors, i.e. $g(k)\le 3\cdot 2^{k-1}-1$. A composition law would therefore squeeze $g(k)$ into $[2^k,\; 1.5\cdot 2^k]$, pinning the growth constant to within a factor $3/2$. That is not a side effect. It is why no such gadget is likely to be found cheaply: it would be an essentially optimal construction against a 92-year-old bound, not merely a counterexample. The scout's "anti-composition theorem" framing is right, but it undersells its own finding.

A finite refutation target follows. Supermultiplicativity at $(1,2)$ needs $g(3)\ge 8$. Erdős-Turán gives $g(3)\le 11$. So any proof that $g(3)\le 7$ refutes supermultiplicativity outright, and that is a bounded Diophantine question, not an asymptotic one. Nobody has to find the gadget to kill the idea.

Note also that the 1934 bound is exactly sharp at $k=1$: $3\cdot 2^0-1 = 2 = g(1)$.

4. The finite data. Reproduced, interpretation corrected on two points.

Independent branch-and-bound clique search on the $S$-smooth pair-sum graph, exhaustive inside $[1,N]$, every witness re-verified by trial division:

$k$$S$our $N$our $g_N(k)$scout's $g_N(k)$
1{2}2 00022
2{2,3}2 00044
3{2,3,5}1 20055
4{2,3,5,7}80066
5{2,…,11}60088
6{2,…,13}4001010
7{2,…,17}3001111

Every row agrees. (Our first attempt returned $g_N=1$ on every row: the adjacency bitset was built one-directionally, which silently caps every clique at a single vertex. It is recorded in the file as a comment because a search that reports 1 everywhere is obviously broken, whereas a search that reports 5 where the truth is 6 is not, and the same class of bug produces both.)

Correction A: "every optimal witness lives below 50" is an artifact of search order, not a phenomenon. Our search enumerates largest-first and returned $\{162,810,1134,1782\} = 162\cdot\{1,5,7,11\}$ at $k=2$ and $\{48,2000\}$ at $k=1$. The reason is elementary and the scout files it under "nobody knows why": the witness set is closed under multiplication by any $S$-unit, and under division by $\gcd$. If $d\mid a$ for all $a\in A$ then the prime factors of $(a+b)/d$ are among those of $a+b$, so $A/\gcd(A)$ is again a witness and is smaller. Optima therefore come in infinite scaling orbits with a unique $\gcd$-1 representative, and any search reporting the lexicographically first optimum reports that representative. The open half of the scout's thread (can optima be normalised into $[1,C^k]$?) survives, but the observation that motivated it does not need explaining.

Correction B: the table is never compared against the known construction, and it should be. The trivial upper bound $f(n)\ll n/\log n$ comes from $A=\{1,\dots,m\}$, whose sums lie in $[3,2m-1]$: that gives $g(\pi(2m-1))\ge m$, i.e. $g(k)\ge (p_k+1)/2 \sim \tfrac12 k\log k$. At $k=7$ this reads $g(7)\ge 9$ against the search's 11, so the exhaustive search beats the 1934 construction by 2 at $k=7$ and by less at smaller $k$. Any $g_N$ table must be reported as $\max(g_N(k), \lceil (p_k+1)/2\rceil)$, and asymptotically the 1934 construction wins against any bounded search. This also re-confirms the scout's §5: $(\tfrac12 k\log k)^{1/k}\to 1$ too, so the falling $k$-th roots separate nothing, exactly as the scout says.

New data point, closing one of the scout's doors. Its loose thread #4 asks whether optimising $S$ over all $k$-subsets beats the first $k$ primes at $k=4$. Exhaustive over all $\binom{8}{k}$ subsets of $\{2,\dots,19\}$:

$k$best over all $k$-subsetsbest $S$first-$k$-primes value
24{2,3}4
35{2,3,13} (ties with {2,3,5})5
46{2,3,7,13} (ties with {2,3,5,7})6

Optimising $S$ buys nothing at $k\le 4$. The scout's guess that this door has "genuine trade shape" is not supported at the only sizes where it can be checked exhaustively. It remains open at $k\ge 5$.

5. The omitted-prime heuristic. Refuted.

The scout's loose thread proposes proving $|A| \le p-1$ when $p\notin S$, "by pigeonhole on residues mod $p$ against the pairing $r\leftrightarrow -r$". This is false for every odd $p$, and it is contradicted by a row inside the scout's own arm-2 table.

Why the pigeonhole fails. The constraint from $p\notin S$ is that no two distinct elements sum to $0 \bmod p$. That forbids: two elements in class $0$, and one element in class $r$ together with one in class $-r$. It does not forbid many elements in a single class $r$ with $2r\not\equiv 0$. So $A$ may occupy up to $(p+1)/2$ classes and each class may be occupied arbitrarily often; no cardinality bound follows. $p=2$ is the unique prime for which the argument works, because $\mathbb{Z}/2$ is the only $\mathbb{Z}/p$ in which every class is self-annihilating ($2r\equiv 0$ for all $r$), which is exactly why the scout's parity observation is a genuine obstruction and does not generalise one step.

Counterexample, from the scout's own §3 table. $S=\{2,5,7\}$, so $3\notin S$, and $A=\{1,3,7,13\}$: sums $4,8,14,10,16,20$, all $S$-smooth. $|A|=4 > p-1 = 2$. Verified by trial division in audit.py.

Unbounded family. $A=\{1,4,7,\dots,3m-2\}$ has all off-diagonal sums $\equiv 2 \bmod 3$, so $3$ divides no sum, for every $m$. Taking $S$ to be the primes actually occurring, $|A|=m$ is arbitrary with $3\notin S$ (measured: $m=8$ needs $k=10$ primes). So omitting an odd prime bounds nothing.

The correct salvage. The residue condition is a sieve condition: for every prime $p\notin S$, $A$ occupies at most $(p+1)/2$ residue classes mod $p$. That is a density-$\tfrac12$ condition at every prime above $\max S$, so a large-sieve argument bounds $|A|$ in terms of the diameter of $A$, not in terms of $k$. Since $A$ can be scaled by $S$-units freely (§4), a diameter bound is not a cardinality bound, and this route cannot reach $g(k)$ without first proving the normalisation the scout's thread #2 asks for. We did not push the sieve constant.

6. "No progress beyond 1934". Misleading, and the scout cites nothing.

The authoritative page (T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #126, accessed 2026-08-24) states the problem as open, $250, with Erdős-Turán [ErTu34] proving $\log n \ll f(n) \ll n/\log n$, the upper bound trivial from $A=\{1,\dots,n\}$, and Erdős remarking that even $f(n)=o(n/\log n)$ has never been proved "but perhaps never seriously attacked". So the order of magnitude of the lower bound is unimproved, and to that extent the scout is right.

It is misleading as a statement about the literature, and neither hunt document cites a single paper. Directly relevant and unmentioned:

The 1988 result is the one that matters strategically: it says the two-set analogue of $f$ can be as small as $(\log n)^2/\log\log n$, which is $\omega(\log n)$ and $o(\log^2 n)$. That is the shape the conjecture would have to have if true, and it is the first quantitative guess about $f$ that either hunt could have had for the price of one literature search.

7. The new route we attacked, and how far it got

The route: reduce to $S$-unit equations, explicitly, and see what it costs. The scout names "$S$-unit equation machinery" as the door and says it has no purchase on it. Here is the purchase, which is elementary and which we did prove.

Proposition. Let $A=\{a,b,c,d\}$ be four distinct positive integers whose six off-diagonal sums are all $S$-smooth. Then $X+Y-Z=1$ has a solution in positive $S$-units with no vanishing subsum.

Proof. Put $u=a+b$, $v=c+d$, $w=a+c$, $x=b+d$, all positive $S$-units. Then $u+v = a+b+c+d = w+x$. Divide by $u$: $1 + v/u = w/u + x/u$, i.e. $X+Y-Z=1$ with $X=w/u$, $Y=x/u$, $Z=v/u$, all $S$-units. Degeneracy would need a vanishing subsum: $X+Y=0$ is impossible for positives; $X-Z=0$ gives $a+c=c+d$, so $a=d$; $Y-Z=0$ gives $b+d=c+d$, so $b=c$. Both are excluded by distinctness. $\square$

So a 4-element witness is a nondegenerate three-term $S$-unit equation, and an $n$-element witness supplies $\binom{n}{4}$ of them (not obviously distinct as solutions, which is the gap below). This is not a new idea in the field, but it is the concrete bridge the scout says it lacks, and it lets us price the route.

What the route would need, and why it is not dead. Bounds on the number of nondegenerate solutions of the three-term $S$-unit equation (Evertse; Evertse, Schlickewei and Schmidt via the quantitative subspace theorem) are exponential in $s=|S|$. Feeding an exponential-in-$s$ solution count back through the proposition reproduces an exponential bound on $g(k)$, which is what 1934 already gives. What #126 needs from this route is a solution count of the form $\exp(o(s))$. The known lower bound on the number of solutions is $\exp(c\sqrt{s}/\log s)$ (Erdős, Stewart and Tijdeman, 1988, for the two-term equation), and $\exp(c\sqrt{s}/\log s) = \exp(o(s))$. So the known lower bounds do not obstruct the route. A subexponential-in-$s$ upper bound for the $S$-unit equation would prove Erdős #126, and no counterexample forbids one.

What we did not settle, and it is the load-bearing gap. The step from "$\binom{n}{4}$ nondegenerate unit-equation instances" to "$\binom{n}{4}$ distinct solutions" is not proved here, and without it the counting does not close. That step is presumably the content of the 1934 induction, which we did not reconstruct. We are stating a sufficient condition and a reduction, not a theorem about $g(k)$.

8. What we could not settle

The doors

This audit measured no new ceiling of its own; it re-measured the scout's. Its door list stands with three amendments.

  1. Closed. "Optimise $S$ per $k$" (the scout's rank-1 trade-shape door) buys zero at $k=2,3,4$, exhaustively over all subsets of the first eight primes. It is not a promising door at reachable $k$.
  2. Downgraded. "Why are optima tiny" is answered by $S$-unit scaling and $\gcd$ normalisation (§4). What survives is the genuinely open normalisation question, which is smaller than the thread implied.
  3. Re-ranked to first. The top door is not the asymptotic $S$-unit bound, which the scout correctly identifies as out of reach. It is the pair of finite targets $g(2)\le 4$ and $g(3)\le 7$: both are bounded Diophantine statements, both would be the first movement on the 1934 constants, and $g(3)\le 7$ retires the composition programme without needing a gadget.

Information class. Targets $g(2)$ and $g(3)$ require reading more than the current family reads (they are upper bounds, and no bounded search can produce one), but far less than the asymptotic route: they need finiteness results for $S$-unit equations in 2 and 3 primes, where explicit resolution is within reach of standard machinery rather than of a new theorem.

Loose threads